Comments on: Boxcutters Episode 81 http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/ It's Television: Dissected Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:23:58 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rob Boxcutter http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2049 Rob Boxcutter Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:47:21 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2049 I agree. That's a masterfully argued position! I agree. That’s a masterfully argued position!

]]> By: catbrain http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2046 catbrain Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:23:47 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2046 <i>"I don’t, however, think that crunchy granola is a tautology. If granola is left out for a time, it loses its freshness and becomes less crunchy, eventually losing all crunch and becoming an experience like chewing on soggy cardboard."</i> Lovely response - I defer to you. “I don’t, however, think that crunchy granola is a tautology. If granola is left out for a time, it loses its freshness and becomes less crunchy, eventually losing all crunch and becoming an experience like chewing on soggy cardboard.”

Lovely response – I defer to you.

]]> By: Brett http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2045 Brett Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:12:36 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2045 Hey Rob, by the way, thanks for getting Neil Diamond in my head - that guitar riff after the Good Lord bit is awesome! BB Hey Rob, by the way, thanks for getting Neil Diamond in my head – that guitar riff after the Good Lord bit is awesome!

BB

]]> By: Rob Boxcutter http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2041 Rob Boxcutter Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:10:01 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2041 Fantastic stuff! Now I can rest easy. Fantastic stuff!

Now I can rest easy.

]]> By: Brett http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2040 Brett Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:16:51 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2040 Granola is specifically toasted - you don't get granola that's raw like non-toasted muesli. It also seems that it's specifically made with rolled oats rather than any other types of grains whereas muesli can be a combination of any number of different grains and grain parts such as bran. I pronounce it mews-li and it's like nails down a blackboard to hear it pronounced moos-li for me - another one is the American habit of saying herb without the 'h'. I'm Melborne born and bred. Possibly there's an English connection to the moos-li pronunciation - from memory - they definitely say yoggut rather than yoh-gert for yoghurt. From the Americans I have known, there seems to be a similar scism in the pronunciation of muesli and I'm not sure that it's a location thing. Granola was previously a brand name in the late 19th century but the trademark lapsed quite some time ago. However, the name <em>is</em> still trademarked here in Australia by Sanitarium. Apparently, the Swiss invention of muesli is quite contemporary and granola predated it significantly so I guess there was nothing before granola. The hippy (and perhaps drug) connotations come from Woodstock in 1969 when, for three days, half a million stinky hippies lived on nothing but granola and acid trips. I don't, however, think that crunchy granola is a tautology. If granola is left out for a time, it loses its freshness and becomes less crunchy, eventually losing all crunch and becoming an experience like chewing on soggy cardboard. BB Granola is specifically toasted – you don’t get granola that’s raw like non-toasted muesli. It also seems that it’s specifically made with rolled oats rather than any other types of grains whereas muesli can be a combination of any number of different grains and grain parts such as bran.

I pronounce it mews-li and it’s like nails down a blackboard to hear it pronounced moos-li for me – another one is the American habit of saying herb without the ‘h’. I’m Melborne born and bred. Possibly there’s an English connection to the moos-li pronunciation – from memory – they definitely say yoggut rather than yoh-gert for yoghurt.

From the Americans I have known, there seems to be a similar scism in the pronunciation of muesli and I’m not sure that it’s a location thing.

Granola was previously a brand name in the late 19th century but the trademark lapsed quite some time ago. However, the name is still trademarked here in Australia by Sanitarium.

Apparently, the Swiss invention of muesli is quite contemporary and granola predated it significantly so I guess there was nothing before granola.

The hippy (and perhaps drug) connotations come from Woodstock in 1969 when, for three days, half a million stinky hippies lived on nothing but granola and acid trips.

I don’t, however, think that crunchy granola is a tautology. If granola is left out for a time, it loses its freshness and becomes less crunchy, eventually losing all crunch and becoming an experience like chewing on soggy cardboard.

BB

]]> By: Rob Boxcutter http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2038 Rob Boxcutter Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:21:16 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2038 Catbrain: I'm pretty sure granola is just American English for "muesli" so "crunchy granola" is no more tautological (tautologous?) than "toasted muesli." <blockquote cite>(I know a man was outta touch)</blockquote> Most of us pronounce it [mewsli] and others say [moosli]. I wonder if it depends where in Australia you live? Do write in and let us know how you pronounce it and in which city you live. <blockquote cite>(And he'd hide in a house and he didn't say much)</blockquote> Do you think Americans would say [moosli] (that is, if they didn't call it granola)? What about Noo Zealanders? <blockquote cite>(Deedle-ee deet deet deet deet deet deet deedle-ee-doo)</blockquote> "Granola", I think, derives from a brand name. I wonder what they called it before . . . ? <blockquote cite>(Good lord!)</blockquote> Catbrain: I’m pretty sure granola is just American English for “muesli” so “crunchy granola” is no more tautological (tautologous?) than “toasted muesli.”

(I know a man was outta touch)

Most of us pronounce it [mewsli] and others say [moosli]. I wonder if it depends where in Australia you live? Do write in and let us know how you pronounce it and in which city you live.

(And he’d hide in a house and he didn’t say much)

Do you think Americans would say [moosli] (that is, if they didn’t call it granola)? What about Noo Zealanders?

(Deedle-ee deet deet deet deet deet deet deedle-ee-doo)

“Granola”, I think, derives from a brand name. I wonder what they called it before . . . ?

(Good lord!)

]]> By: markymarc http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2035 markymarc Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:18:03 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2035 its so much more than muesli. so much more. its so much more than muesli. so much more.

]]> By: catbrain http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2034 catbrain Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27:34 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2034 dishy - yes, the ingredients may be the same, but granola is always toasted and muesli traditionally isn't. This means, of course, that 'Crunchy Granola' is a tautology. Can we have another grammar discussion, please? I obviously need one... ... I don't understand why people are banging on in the news about the reference to <i>Sunrise</i> as a cult and it being derogatory: one of the senior management (EP at the time?), in an article in <i>The Age</i> sometime in the first year after <i>Sunrise</i> started, said with a smile to the journalist, "So, you've been up to see The Mansons?" in reference to the closeness of the <i>Sunrise</i> team. Re the OCD housemate on <i>Big Brother</i>: will it compare to the joy of a Tourette's swearfest, <i>a la</i> BBUK? dishy – yes, the ingredients may be the same, but granola is always toasted and muesli traditionally isn’t. This means, of course, that ‘Crunchy Granola’ is a tautology.

Can we have another grammar discussion, please? I obviously need one…

…

I don’t understand why people are banging on in the news about the reference to Sunrise as a cult and it being derogatory: one of the senior management (EP at the time?), in an article in The Age sometime in the first year after Sunrise started, said with a smile to the journalist, “So, you’ve been up to see The Mansons?” in reference to the closeness of the Sunrise team.

Re the OCD housemate on Big Brother: will it compare to the joy of a Tourette’s swearfest, a la BBUK?

]]> By: Mike Beckham http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2031 Mike Beckham Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:20:51 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2031 RE: Jacksons - There was a reunion a few years back on a TV special. RE: Jacksons – There was a reunion a few years back on a TV special.

]]> By: dishy http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2030 dishy Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:35:04 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2030 Isn't granola just muesli? Isn’t granola just muesli?

]]> By: jimbo http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2029 jimbo Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:07:32 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2029 Me too! Pete Smith is the king. Me too! Pete Smith is the king.

]]> By: markymarc http://boxcutters.net/2007/04/16/boxcutters-episode-81/comment-page-1/#comment-2028 markymarc Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:10:31 +0000 http://boxcutters.net/blog/index.php/?p=353#comment-2028 Yay- seriously, i stay up on a monday night waiting your download. I am your granola groupie. Yay- seriously, i stay up on a monday night waiting your download. I am your granola groupie.

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